|
Post by USAhockey on May 22, 2015 7:35:43 GMT -5
I may be in the minority on this message board, but it's about time. We need a GM that wants to win, not just make the first round of the playoffs.
|
|
|
Post by eric8199 on May 22, 2015 10:10:08 GMT -5
I may be in the minority on this message board, but it's about time. We need a GM that wants to win, not just make the first round of the playoffs. And that's exactly what this season has been about — building to make a run. Not sure why anyone on this message board at least still doesn't get that. And in that beginning year of a rebuild, we still made the playoffs with the youngest team ever in the league. I'd say we're definitely headed in the right direction, and a lot of that rests on Jim's shoulders.
|
|
|
Post by bpfox on May 22, 2015 18:33:07 GMT -5
I may be in the minority on this message board, but it's about time. We need a GM that wants to win, not just make the first round of the playoffs. Yes, you are in the minority here. You see, the majority of folks here are hockey fans. Not only that, they know a thing or two about hockey. You clearly do not. But that's ok. Everybody who comes here has the right to their opinion, even if they are wildly wrong. I'm pretty sure it was Jim's poor performance here that got the attention of the Maple Leafs and convinced them to think "man we need some of that". Maybe you are right. Maybe you know more about the game than Brendan Shanahan, Mark Hunter and Mike Babcock. My guess is you don't.
|
|
|
Post by ohlhcky on May 22, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -5
Well said .... He got talent here and his finger prints will be all over this teams future success. IMO
|
|
|
Post by thepuckman on May 22, 2015 20:20:14 GMT -5
If anybody ever had the chance to talk to Jim, he wanted to win. He was committed to doing whatever he possibly could to make this team successful. But he was also realistic, which is very important when dealing with junior hockey. He refused to sell top young players to make an ill-fated run at stacked teams. And now, whoever comes in to take his place, has a roster loaded with talent. With that roster comes expectations. Hopefully his replacement has the acumen to take this organization to the next level.
Thanks Jim P and good luck with the Maple Leafs.
|
|
|
Post by USAhockey on May 23, 2015 7:03:02 GMT -5
I may be in the minority on this message board, but it's about time. We need a GM that wants to win, not just make the first round of the playoffs. Yes, you are in the minority here. You see, the majority of folks here are hockey fans. Not only that, they know a thing or two about hockey. You clearly do not. But that's ok. Everybody who comes here has the right to their opinion, even if they are wildly wrong. I'm pretty sure it was Jim's poor performance here that got the attention of the Maple Leafs and convinced them to think "man we need some of that". Maybe you are right. Maybe you know more about the game than Brendan Shanahan, Mark Hunter and Mike Babcock. My guess is you don't. it's funny to me, you don't even know me. You say I dont know anything about hockey, that's funny. Next season please find me at a game and we can sit down and talk hockey. But I'm guessing you won't want to talk, you will just probably yell at the referees like every other idiot saginaw fan. Let me just ask you this. How many years did we reach the western conffence finals under Jim ? How many times did he put a team together that went to the OHL finals ? Don't start talking about "rebuilding" BS.this team has been "rebuilding"since they moved here. I'm so sick of hearing that. I rarely check this site that often nowadays. I have more important things to do than to have you question my hockey IQ. I think the next time I will come on here is when flint wins a championship, don't worry unlike saginaw I'm sure they won't have to wait 10+ years to do so or just to get out of the second round of the playoffs.
|
|
|
Post by dragoni27 on May 23, 2015 19:59:27 GMT -5
Ok USA Hockey. I'm curious what moves would you have made differently the last two years that would have won us the memorial cup?
|
|
|
Post by dannynoonan on May 24, 2015 18:50:47 GMT -5
I would like the Saginaw Spirit to have a team that wins and remains competitive and I believe that this management team has built that foundation. I think it is fantastic that Saginaw has signed their first five draft picks from 2015 and it is not even June. I believe there is no other OHL team that can say that.
Saginaw Spirit fans should be happy that their franchise is not like the Kingston Frontenacs. Kingston has not won a playoff series in 17 seasons and has not gotten past the first round of the playoffs since 1998.
I hope the individuals who believe they could do a better job than Jim Paliafito are sending their resumes to the Saginaw Spirit. There is an opening for a General Manager that needs to be filled.
|
|
|
Post by Disco Stu on May 24, 2015 22:19:26 GMT -5
Jim P was doing a really good job and deserved a promotion to a higher league, but unfortunately he is now with the Leafs, who need to rebuild but did not hire a coach they can rebuild with. Maybe the Wings can trade Cleary and Franzen to the Leafs.
It is going to be a really interesting situation in Toronto. They are hiring front office guys who would be good at rebuilding, especially with OHL talent, but they hired a coach who would be much better at coaching the finished product, not the rebuild.
Meanwhile, once the Griffins finish their long AHL playoff run, the Red Wings will move the Griffins' head coach to Detroit, and then I think it is going to be exciting times ahead with the young lineup.
Meanwhile, in Saginaw, I would prefer to see them find a GM who is on board with continuing this movement Jim P began. I really like where this is going.
|
|
|
Post by ohlhcky on May 25, 2015 7:09:28 GMT -5
I hope they hire someone with league experience. Jim P. has this headed in the right direction people will see in the 2016-17 season. Looking forward to this coming season as well.
|
|
twinsdad
2nd Liner
Rocky Hockey
Posts: 165
|
Post by twinsdad on May 26, 2015 17:02:38 GMT -5
I guess I have to agree a little with USAHockey above. Sure, Jim P. has set us up well during the last season. And we can give him some credit if we stay the course and get a couple of banners. But he was in control for six years, correct? Why did he wait until this past season to do a real rebuild, instead of after 2012? He made some trades back in the first half of his tenure with the Spirit that were real head-scratchers (underselling and overpaying). We should have gotten the farm from Plymouth for the Trocheck trade.
I believe the next GM is going to have the hard part. Despite having young team and a trove of draft picks, getting a Memorial Cup caliber team will be more impressive than what Jim P. did. I am not saying I could do better, but other GM's in the OHL have and in less time. So, personally, I am a little shocked that he got the opportunity to join the Maple Leafs organization without finishing the job here in Saginaw and proving himself at this level.
Still, congratulations to Jim P.
|
|
|
Post by ohlhcky on May 26, 2015 17:35:34 GMT -5
If I am correct was the GM for three yearshead scout before that . Drafted very good players Paterson, Trocheck, Felhaber, Sadowy, Middleton, Stephens.....
|
|
twinsdad
2nd Liner
Rocky Hockey
Posts: 165
|
Post by twinsdad on May 26, 2015 18:31:19 GMT -5
If I am correct was the GM for three yearshead scout before that . Drafted very good players Paterson, Trocheck, Felhaber, Sadowy, Middleton, Stephens..... Not sure if he was GM for only three years changes my mind much. Again, probably easier to sell players for draft picks (and still have enough talent left to make the playoffs) than using draft picks and talent to get more talent to win a championship. But that is my opinion. Using individual players drafted as a litmus test for a determining a good scout and/or GM is not a solid argument. One would have to look at the overall picture (did players drafted routinely perform better that later picks, average performance of a draft class versus other teams, etc.) to make that determination. Not to say he did poorly, I'm just saying that handpicking six very good players over the last four years is not a strong enough argument.
|
|
|
Post by eric8199 on May 30, 2015 18:26:13 GMT -5
If I am correct was the GM for three yearshead scout before that . Drafted very good players Paterson, Trocheck, Felhaber, Sadowy, Middleton, Stephens..... Pretty sure you are correct. He became the GM when Gilbert became the coach.
|
|
|
Post by bpfox on May 30, 2015 21:32:58 GMT -5
If I am correct was the GM for three yearshead scout before that . Drafted very good players Paterson, Trocheck, Felhaber, Sadowy, Middleton, Stephens..... Pretty sure you are correct. He became the GM when Gilbert became the coach. Watson fired, Jim promoted from assistant GM to GM, Jim hires Gilbert. Jim P was GM for 3 1/2 seasons.
|
|