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Post by Frogger1 on Feb 1, 2005 17:06:38 GMT -5
I think Jim did get personal and did not try to have a healthy debate but tried to ram his "opinion" at us in the form of "fact." He said "They are TAKING jobs away from skill level appropriate players who make about $600/week and you say they aren't scabs?...They are selfish and want to stay at home and take another person's job." That is his idea of a statement of fact, not opinion. And, imo, he is wrong. (see above post by me)
After quoting SagGen Jim then wrote "It is dispicable and should not be tolerated by true hockey fans like us." Again, this is not written in a manner that the reader would think is inviting a debate, he is saying he is right. I am a true hockey fan and don't agree with him at all. I would like him to be a bit more tolerant of other's opinions the way SagGen, BPFox, DiscoStu et al are. Also, I find his intolerance for some folks using the "we" and "us" when referring to the Sagianw team to be laughable, and not in a good way. However, it is just my opinion.
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Post by Jiffyjeff on Feb 1, 2005 17:06:53 GMT -5
Just for everyones information. The NHL players will not take a roster spot form anyone currently on the team, also they will be playing home games and select away games.
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Feb 1, 2005 17:25:24 GMT -5
Just for everyones information. The NHL players will not take a roster spot form anyone currently on the team, also they will be playing home games and select away games. Just curious where you heard this?? Thanks |
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Post by bpfox on Feb 1, 2005 17:41:58 GMT -5
There is no question we could all use some help in the tact area once in a while. Sometimes it is hard to write "passion" for a subject in such a way as to be inviting debate. I will give you that. I guess Jim's comments cut deeper in your opinion than what I read into them. I found today's Saginaw New article on the subject kind of interesting. Seems like the boys want to play so they can stay in shape and stay local, but only if they can "insure" their big contracts. There is no question the UHL is not the place for these players. I can understand the team wanting them for no other reason that the fan draw. I would say if the boys want to play hockey, then they should come to agreement with management and drop the puck. If they want to keep in shape, let them take their big money and rent some ice time. They don't belong in the UHL.
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Feb 1, 2005 18:19:16 GMT -5
I mean absolutely no disrespect to Jimdrw at all. My post was due to built up 'anger' over a lot of what he has said on here & on the NOOF over the past months. It just struck a chord with me here & that's where I said something. Like I have said before, I have no ill feelings for Jimdrw on a personal level, I just disagree with him sometimes, as he does with most everyone else - and that is FINE! But when it gets to name calling & backhanded insults, or questioning someone's ability to be a "true fan" yet still have an opinion other than his, that's going too far.
I would hope that my comments do not make Jimdrw angry, but rather think about who he is cutting down or potentially insulting before he says something. I AM a true fan, regardless of what anyone thinks - but you bet your butt that I am still going to enjoy NHL hockey once it returns. Isn't that the definition of a TRUE FAN? Someone who supports their favorite team (league, etc.) no matter what? I thought it was.
As for Jimdrw, we can agree to disagree on this subject, that's fine. Like was mentioned before, it's all opinion. No one is right or wrong. I'll see you at the next Spirit game - track me down & I'll buy you a beverage.
I think the whole thread got off topic & heated more than it needed. I apologize for my part in that. I have received a ton of PM's supporting what I said, but some people don't want to say. Let's go back to what this thread was about now.
Have fun.
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Feb 1, 2005 18:21:03 GMT -5
...and to Frogger - thanks for your input as well - I have been gone most of the afternoon so I couldn't respond, but you summed up a lot of what I was thinking. I think we need to take all these posts with a grain of salt from now on.
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Post by IB40 on Feb 1, 2005 18:51:41 GMT -5
A scab is a person replacing a worker who is has elected not to work (i.e., is on strike). A scab performs the duties of the employee(s) who are refusing to work thereby allowing the owner of the operation/organization to carry out his/her business objectives. The NHL players in question are not technically scabs..........merely idiots.
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Post by Jiffyjeff on Feb 1, 2005 18:58:39 GMT -5
Midlandspiritfan, I was on my way to Ann Arbor today and was listening to Sports Talk 1130. The hosts were complaining that the NHL players would take someones spot. They were told this would not happen. This was a deal that was made to bring the big names in.
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Post by bpfox on Feb 1, 2005 19:07:13 GMT -5
A scab is a person replacing a worker who is has elected not to work (i.e., is on strike). A scab performs the duties of the employee(s) who are refusing to work thereby allowing the owner of the operation/organization to carry out his/her business objectives. The NHL players in question are not technically scabs..........merely idiots. This gets my vote as the best post of this thread! |
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Feb 1, 2005 19:35:54 GMT -5
I agree - that was a good one.
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Feb 1, 2005 19:55:03 GMT -5
A scab is a person replacing a worker who is has elected not to work (i.e., is on strike). A scab performs the duties of the employee(s) who are refusing to work thereby allowing the owner of the operation/organization to carry out his/her business objectives. The NHL players in question are not technically scabs..........merely idiots. Make it 3 votes for ya, IB40..........clever!!! ;D |
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Feb 1, 2005 19:56:47 GMT -5
Midlandspiritfan, I was on my way to Ann Arbor today and was listening to Sports Talk 1130. The hosts were complaining that the NHL players would take someones spot. They were told this would not happen. This was a deal that was made to bring the big names in. Thanks jiffyjeff for the clarification. I have also seen the same comments about this aspect of the situation on the NOOF. |
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Feb 1, 2005 20:01:20 GMT -5
...and to Frogger - thanks for your input as well - I have been gone most of the afternoon so I couldn't respond, but you summed up a lot of what I was thinking. I think we need to take all these posts with a grain of salt from now on. The signature at the bottom of your posts says it all......all of us wouldn't spend time on this forum or the NOOF let alone our time at all of the games if we didn't love hockey!!! |
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Post by Sparky on Feb 1, 2005 20:07:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't call those players scabs, but I do think Jim makes some valid points about displacing players at the UHL level. I think that is wrong. These guys have enough money to rent the Saginaw bay ice arena for the rest of the year and work out if they so wish. I know that's not keeping them in "competitive" shape, but playing in the UHL is? Also, I would wonder how the wings feel about this. What happens if one of them gets an injury that will limit their performance for the rest of their career and they are still under contract with the Wings?
I've been working in Northern Michigan and on the news up here they had a story about former Wing Dallas Drake. He is working out with the Traverse City West H.S. hockey team and helping coach them. I think that is a great idea to keep in shape and to work with youngsters at the same time.
Never been a fan of Hatcher, so my respect for him won't change, Chelios, not a huge fan of him either, but if Daper and Maltby play, I'll be crushed.
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Post by gamer24 on Feb 1, 2005 20:17:14 GMT -5
This is obviously a very touchy topic, one that could be easily debated without any of the angered posts aimed at each other. Unfortunately in the heat of the moment things are said that could offend others viewing these posts. In an open forum such as this there will be differences of opinion. So be it. I do not always agree with what someone says. Nor do I have to. I think for the most part everyone on here has a great deal of knowledge(well maybe except for the person saying some eddie neville kid was to be our next tender because Brown was going somewhere ;D) It is great to hear the opinions of all who participate in this forum. Because I do not agree with jimdrw using "...true hockey fans like us." in this debate doesn't make him a bad person. I may not agree with him on this topic but happen to agree with him on many others. I can appreciate his opinion and passion he has for his views. Because SaginawGensFan pulls one of my responses to a thread for whatever reason or disagrees with me on one of my views doesn't make him a bad person either. Bottom line is no matter what it will be very rare for us to all agree on a subject. So just state your opinion, speak for yourself and let your voice be heard. Oh yeah by the way I do support the NHLPA  Cheers |
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