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Post by mievl on Nov 21, 2007 22:46:21 GMT -5
thank you bobo. swarz isnt that big of a kid, i figured he would of gotten beat.
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Post by IGive1 on Nov 21, 2007 23:14:08 GMT -5
Was not a really good game, pretty crappy hockey. I did not think either team played very well. I think the final score and shots were not a good indication of the game, it was closer than that. Plymouth blocked a lot of shots or the total would have been higher.
Daniels played really well. The first Plymouth goal he had no chance, the second goal by Chris Terry he walked right out front by making Sinfield look absolutely foolish (there has to be better O/A defenseman available especially near the trade deadline), the 3rd Plymouth goal was very similar to the 1st and Daniels was screened by his own Dmen on the 4th.
I think Plymouth was playing without one of their better defenseman, but I was not impressed with their team. They have great goaltending, but if he gets hurt they are in trouble.
Swarz pounded the Plymouth rookie import. Whoopee.
There were maybe 1,700 people there.
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Post by jrp0629 on Nov 22, 2007 0:00:08 GMT -5
All I can say is Daniels is running out of excuses. Everytime he gets a piss poor loss people come up with one excuse after another. 49-25 were shots on goal in our favor, no excuses when another goalie can stop 48 in a game, why cant the Spirit stop 23 or 24? He is VERY unreliable and always has been, NO EXCUSE. Rebound after rebound he is on his face or back most of the time, and not always but most of the goals, in goes the puck. The Spirit need to get something out of him while the season is young, even if it's a 95 year old senior citizen, i'm sure he would be more reliable. I've said this sinse last year, HE SUCKS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!
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Post by sagspiritsfan on Nov 22, 2007 1:04:19 GMT -5
Just thought I would point out that Daniels and VanBuskirk have a nearly identical save percentage, .882 for Daniels, .881 for VanBuskirk.
Both goalies are .500 goalies with Daniels having the 2 OTL's and 1SL, the team is .500.
So how would you explain JRP ... 2 goalies with exactly the same numbers, with virtually exactly the same record yet one being absolutely terrible?
Last year Daniels was 6th in the league and VanBuskirk was 10th ... I think we have two very capable goalies. I would find it hard to believe that both goalies seemingly "forgot" how to play at the beginning of this season.
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Post by sensspiritfan on Nov 22, 2007 6:40:34 GMT -5
It is so easy to blame the goalie whether it is Daniels or VanBuskirk but there is a reason that these goals are going in and you must look at the players in front of him to also take some blame. On the second goal Terry was beside the net and walked out in front and nobody even looked at him. The last goal Daniels stops the origional shot and the puck goes all the way to the blueline and the Plymouth D-man had all kinds of time to shoot. We have to tighten up in our own end. I think Daniels has had a couple of bad games but I don't think last night the fault should go to him alone.
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Post by ohlfan06 on Nov 22, 2007 8:53:22 GMT -5
Goaltending is not the problem with our team, the Defense is. Not to point fingers at any specific d-man, but all in all our older players have to step it up. It gets so frustrating sitting there watching our defense make poor mistakes and then leave our goaltender out to dry.
We have two very capable goalies, just as sagspiritfan pointed out. However what we dont have is a reliable defense that the rest of the team feels comfortable with. I'm really hoping Edwards makes a move here soon because something has to be done.
In all honesty last night I thought Daniels played well. He played well this last weekend too. So for anyone to criticize him and say hes terrible is ridiculous. Must I point out he is drafted and did stay at Sens camp for an extended period of time...Vanbuskirk did not. Those of you who think "Bus" is great, open your eyes, hes not better than Daniels. If he was great don't you think Sarnia would have kept him a little longer? The only reason Bus is looking better to some of you is because he has played the weaker teams, with the exception of last weekend. Anyways enough ranting, everyone have a good thanksgiving!
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Post by jrp0629 on Nov 22, 2007 10:26:17 GMT -5
I still think HE SUCKS!! Always have and always will.  ;D |
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Nov 22, 2007 10:32:00 GMT -5
So, if we are using last night's game as an example, I have to believe Plymouth's defense had a few breakdowns of their own to allow 40+ SOG yet Jeremy Smith is there to "save" the day. Or is the Plymouth off ice official counting the shots on goal being generous to make Smith's stats look good (not that he needs any help)?? Help me out here those of you who saw the game. Who was the better goaltender, Smith or Daniels. With some of the posts I have read in this thread it makes it seem like Daniels played better than Smith. It's really hard for me to believe that. Help me out here..............
Happy Thanksgiving!!
Go Lions, Packers Suck......damn cheeseheads!!
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Nov 22, 2007 10:38:13 GMT -5
So how would you explain JRP ... 2 goalies with exactly the same numbers, with virtually exactly the same record yet one being absolutely terrible? Both have been inconsistent (translation = not reliable) all season based on what I have read on this forum and the NOOF. You never know what you are going to get game to game from either of them. No matter how you slice it an 0.880 save percentage is god awful in the OHL. |
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Nov 22, 2007 10:45:30 GMT -5
the second goal by Chris Terry he walked right out front by making Sinfield look absolutely foolish (there has to be better O/A defenseman available especially near the trade deadline) Did he jam it in on the short side or beat Sinfield behind the net and score a wrap around on the far side?? In either case, this just illustrates the point I made several times on this forum last season and the season before last. Daniels post-to-post lateral movement is terrible and based on this description it has not gotten any better. Help me out here igive1, if I'm off base tell me so. I'm just going by the descriptions you and others on the forum provide me. Believe me, I would give anything to see the games live and be able to judge for myself. ;D ;D |
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Post by igive2 on Nov 22, 2007 10:51:37 GMT -5
Saginaw is 4th in the league out of 20 teams for allowing the LEAST AMOUNT of shots with only 30.5 allowed/game!
Only Kitchener (1st place), Soo (2nd place) and Guelph are ahead of Saginaw!
For a team with one of the youngest defense in the league I'd say that's an amazing number.
On the flip, side, Saginaw's save percentage is 19th out of 20 teams - 87.8%.
I'd say defensive play is the least of Spirit's worries.
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Nov 22, 2007 10:57:09 GMT -5
Saginaw is 4th in the league out of 20 teams for allowing the LEAST AMOUNT of shots with only 30.5 allowed/game! Only Kitchener (1st place), Soo (2nd place) and Guelph are ahead of Saginaw! For a team with one of the youngest defense in the league I'd say that's an amazing number. On the flip, side, Saginaw's save percentage is 19th out of 20 teams - 87.8%. I'd say defensive play is the least of Spirit's worries. Excellent point!!! The questions then becomes how many of those are "quality scoring chances" versus how many "quality scoring chances" other teams give up. When I coached youth hockey I always talked about shooting from and defending the prime scoring area. I defined that prime scoring area by extending an imaginary line from each goal post to the corresponding face off dot, then extending a line from the face off dots vertically to the top of the face off circles, then extending a line across the top of the face off circles. This defined an area shaped like "home plate" that I always told my players is the prime scoring area. In the offensive zone I wanted my players to shoot the puck any time they could from within this area. Conversely on defense I wanted my d-men to always force the puck carriers wide oustide of this area and do everything possible (i.e. sticks on the ice in the passing lanes) to prevent passes from coming into this area. I always told my players on defense to "guard home plate". My philosophical coaching rant is now done. Hope this made sense. |
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Post by IGive1 on Nov 22, 2007 11:04:52 GMT -5
On Terry's goal, he had the puck slightly behind the goal and to the left to Daniels. Sinfield was facing him next to the goal, Terry from a dead stop, dangled a bit, Sinfield went fishing for the puck (and a continued aversion to physical contact), Terry then took 2 steps past Sinfield and roofed it. Need to get more from an O/A than that.
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Nov 22, 2007 11:10:28 GMT -5
On Terry's goal, he had the puck slightly behind the goal and to the left to Daniels. Sinfield was facing him next to the goal, Terry from a dead stop, dangled a bit, Sinfield went fishing for the puck (and a continued aversion to physical contact), Terry then took 2 steps past Sinfield and roofed it. Need to get more from an O/A than that. Did he roof it short side?? If so, that should never happen if the goaltender has the post "hugged" properly. Did he cut between Sinfield and the post to come out front or did he have to go outside Sinfield and then make a sharp turn towards the net?? |
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Post by IGive1 on Nov 22, 2007 11:16:49 GMT -5
Terry went around the outside of Sinfield and roofed it far side
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