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Post by darrenpangfan on Dec 11, 2007 17:51:23 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the reality of the situation is that before the season began, I felt that the Spirit were a middle of the road team. I hoped that would be proven false but that is not the case. We have seen the beginning of dismantling of the Spirit with the trades of Asselin, Mursak, Williams and VanBuskirk. As much as I would hate to see it, there is also a strong chance that Jack Combs, Ryan McDonough, and Ryan Daniels will be dealt as well for draft picks and younger players.
I think it is a good trade because Saginaw got their goaltender of the future because right now, they really didn't have anything outstanding in their system. Would I have liked to see more comeback to Saginaw in exchange for Mursak, Williams, and VanBuskirk? Yes I would have but this was obviously the best deal out there to help the Saginaw Spirit.
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Post by statestreet2005 on Dec 11, 2007 18:25:24 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the reality of the situation is that before the season began, I felt that the Spirit were a middle of the road team. I hoped that would be proven false but that is not the case. We have seen the beginning of dismantling of the Spirit with the trades of Asselin, Mursak, Williams and VanBuskirk. As much as I would hate to see it, there is also a strong chance that Jack Combs, Ryan McDonough, and Ryan Daniels will be dealt as well for draft picks and younger players. I think it is a good trade because Saginaw got their goaltender of the future because right now, they really didn't have anything outstanding in their system. Would I have liked to see more comeback to Saginaw in exchange for Mursak, Williams, and VanBuskirk? Yes I would have but this was obviously the best deal out there to help the Saginaw Spirit. I kinda liked the Lepera kid. |
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Dec 11, 2007 23:28:31 GMT -5
While I do stand by my statement(s), I have offered an apolgy to spiritfan8 in a PM (where I guess we should have kept this all along) & hopefully this whole stupid thing is over with. I will still disagree with people on here if I feel the need, I will just try to disagree differently than I have at times before so to avoid any more ridiculous threads like this one (the off topic stuff). We all get a 10 minute misconduct - and it's over.
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Post by donjohnson on Dec 12, 2007 10:20:13 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the reality of the situation is that before the season began, I felt that the Spirit were a middle of the road team. I hoped that would be proven false but that is not the case. We have seen the beginning of dismantling of the Spirit with the trades of Asselin, Mursak, Williams and VanBuskirk. As much as I would hate to see it, there is also a strong chance that Jack Combs, Ryan McDonough, and Ryan Daniels will be dealt as well for draft picks and younger players. I think it is a good trade because Saginaw got their goaltender of the future because right now, they really didn't have anything outstanding in their system. Would I have liked to see more comeback to Saginaw in exchange for Mursak, Williams, and VanBuskirk? Yes I would have but this was obviously the best deal out there to help the Saginaw Spirit. I would be surprised to see McDonough dealt...i think the coaches are pretty high on him for the future. The other two will be dealt if the price is right...if they both continue playing at the same high level they are now, we may be able to get quite a bit for them. |
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Post by sagspiritsfan on Dec 12, 2007 10:42:39 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the reality of the situation is that before the season began, I felt that the Spirit were a middle of the road team. I hoped that would be proven false but that is not the case. We have seen the beginning of dismantling of the Spirit with the trades of Asselin, Mursak, Williams and VanBuskirk. As much as I would hate to see it, there is also a strong chance that Jack Combs, Ryan McDonough, and Ryan Daniels will be dealt as well for draft picks and younger players. I think it is a good trade because Saginaw got their goaltender of the future because right now, they really didn't have anything outstanding in their system. Would I have liked to see more comeback to Saginaw in exchange for Mursak, Williams, and VanBuskirk? Yes I would have but this was obviously the best deal out there to help the Saginaw Spirit. I kinda liked the Lepera kid. Do you like him enough to be confident with Pasquale and himself as the the goaltending tandem of the Saginaw Spirit when they should be a pretty good contending team next year? Not saying it isnt going to happen, but that puts a ton of pressure on Pasquale, not saying he isnt going to handle it, but I can see Edwards picking up an 89 or 90 in return for Daniels before the deadline. After this past month of play, I would say his stock has risen alot. |
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Post by darrenpangfan on Dec 12, 2007 13:35:37 GMT -5
If Ryan McDonough and Jack Combs came back next season, they would probably be two of the best overagers in the OHL. I agree that the coaches are high on Ryan McDonough. That is why they named him Captain after Asselin left.
The Spirit have to see how Pasquale does the second half of the season to see if they need to bring in an 18 or 19 year old for next year. It is hard to tell how good Lepera might be. We've only seen him in training camp and 1 regular season game. This isn't a knock against Lepera but how many 14th round draft picks turn out to be starting goaltenders in the OHL? I got to believe the number is very low. Hopefully he turns out to be a find for the Spirit.
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Dec 12, 2007 14:34:15 GMT -5
As far as McDonough & Combs go... while nothing would surprise me completely (if they were to get traded or not), I almost think BOTH will STAY, because no matter how much 'young talent' you have you still need/want that veteran leadership. I think these 2 guys could be the leaders that the youngsters are built around.
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Post by hockeyfollower on Dec 12, 2007 15:19:19 GMT -5
As it stands right now the Spirit have very litle in the way of scoring. If 21 & 29 are traded they will have next to zero scoring for this yr , since if they are traded it will mostly likely be for young unproven talent.
As for next year scoring will still be a problem unless they draft 2 Europeans who can put the puck in the net If 21 & 29 stay for next yr it would definitely be something to look forward too,
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Post by eaglei12 on Dec 12, 2007 15:25:54 GMT -5
I personally think we have scoring ability but the lines just aren't working to our advantage. I think changing the lines around a little would help in this area. Time will tell but we need to stay positive and look forward to the future team.
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Post by donjohnson on Dec 12, 2007 17:06:55 GMT -5
i still think trade em all, get some really good young guys and then field a goon squad. You'll put butts in the seats this year because everybody loves a night at the fights and then we'll be good the next few years (hockey wise at least).
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Post by igive2 on Dec 12, 2007 17:58:27 GMT -5
This isn't a knock against Lepera but how many 14th round draft picks turn out to be starting goaltenders in the OHL? I got to believe the number is very low. Hopefully he turns out to be a find for the Spirit. Two 14th rounders that turned out to be NHL draft picks recently were Adam Dennis (Sabres) and Kevin Beech (Tampa). 13th rounders were Engelage (Windsor), Daren Machesny (Caps) and Dan Ellis (Nashville) - Mason (London) was picked in the 11th! Those are just a few that come to mind... Lots of late round goalie successes - lets hope Lepera is one of them! |
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Dec 12, 2007 23:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by darrenpangfan on Dec 13, 2007 15:23:31 GMT -5
Thank you igive2 for giving examples of 14th round picks that were successful in the OHL. If Joseph Lepera and Edward Pasquale can be as good for Saginaw as Adam Dennis and Gerald Coleman were for London, Saginaw fans can look forward to many great years of successful hockey.
If those two work out, we could be looking at a possible Memorial Cup run in the 2010-11 season. I know, I know, that is way, way too far to be looking ahead, and a lot of things have to go right, but it could happen. Couldn't it?
After rereading that last statement, I've got to stop drinking that Dow Event Center beer.
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Post by donjohnson on Dec 13, 2007 15:29:40 GMT -5
If those two work out, we could be looking at a possible Memorial Cup run in the 2010-11 season. I know, I know, that is way, way too far to be looking ahead, and a lot of things have to go right, but it could happen. Couldn't it? After rereading that last statement, I've got to stop drinking that Dow Event Center beer. Your statement isn't that alcohol-induced...remember, the OHL places weight on the HOSTING of the Memorial Cup based on if your team is going to be any good (since you get an automatic invite). Don't get me wrong, the biggest part of hosting is the money you bring to the table but having a solid team that can compete is a factor as well. Just look at the last two hosts, Kitchener and London, very solid teams. |
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Post by Frogger1 on Dec 14, 2007 0:55:01 GMT -5
As it stands right now the Spirit have very litle in the way of scoring. If 21 & 29 are traded they will have next to zero scoring for this yr , since if they are traded it will mostly likely be for young unproven talent. As for next year scoring will still be a problem unless they draft 2 Europeans who can put the puck in the net If 21 & 29 stay for next yr it would definitely be something to look forward too, Although I have always thought Combs could score and he is finally getting that chance I don't think anyone can discount the opportunities he and McD are getting. I think there are a few guys (Schwarz and Murovich to name 2) not getting that opportunity who can do almost as well but are not out there as much. What I'm saying is I really don't like seeing a #1 power play unit staying on the ice for a full two minutes. This has happened many times so far and seriously, it has not been because the first group kept the pressure up for the entire time. I'm seeing a bit of selfishness I haven't seen in prior seasons (not counting Geoff Platt) and I think these guys numbers are overblown due to this. To play beyond 1:10 to 1:20 is a bit rare, but 2:00 full, doesn't happen much....except here and now. But, with that said, I think keeping Combs and McD here is a good thing if they can be smarter about Win/loss and not their individual stats. They will be two of the best OA's next season. Unfortunately I think Combs will not be here long. Maybe for the right price, McD either. |
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