datch
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Post by datch on Sept 14, 2007 14:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by IGive1 on Sept 14, 2007 14:16:49 GMT -5
They first have to sign him which does not sound easy. The article does not say what they gave up for him.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 14, 2007 14:36:48 GMT -5
Harvard is pretty tough competition. You have to wonder if Kingston thought they had no chance at signing him. I don't think I would be kissing either of our present backups good-bye just yet.
The second acquisition from the Oakville Blades, former employer of Don Edwards.
And yet another announcement containing a lengthy quote from Goslin. I had never really noticed this til someone commented on it. Now it is really starting to bug me............
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Post by donjohnson on Sept 14, 2007 15:48:42 GMT -5
Ok guys, i'm starting to get sick of these comments. Richard Garber and Craig Goslin are the OWNERS of the team. If they have influence on a transaction or are quoted in an article, it's because they are the OWNERS of the team.
Think about it...if you suddenly were the OWNER of a hockey team, despite what you post here, you really know nothing about the day-to-day operations of a team. Wouldn't you like to be involved in the decision making process if you were the OWNER? If it was me, i would be doing the exact same thing they are doing.
Look at it this way...they are making decisions with the hope that the team gets better and wins a championship. Nobody wants to win more than they do. There are plenty of OWNERS in sports that just go through the motions...we should be glad we're not stuck with one of them.
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Post by sagspiritsfan on Sept 14, 2007 16:06:58 GMT -5
DonJohnson -
I 100% agree with your comment. Whats wrong with an owner being excited about the acquistion of obviously a talented prospect who has received a scholarship a year early? .. Im sure edwards could coax him to report after all it isnt very likely that a junior team uses a underage goaltender as there starting goalie. Obviously Edwards has alot of faith in Hoyle.
The whole Vezina winner is getting a bit old.. afterall I cant imagine that award really helps him as a general manager.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 14, 2007 17:21:20 GMT -5
Whatever, guys. He's an owner, he obviously has the right to do or say anything he pleases, and he's certainly the consumate salesman. If I believe his expertise is better applied to off-ice business, then that's my opinion, by which I am sticking.
I believe the Vezina comment has merit if we're dealing with a goalie that Edwards would probably be helping to coach.
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Post by igive2 on Sept 14, 2007 22:42:55 GMT -5
I don't get it.
The Spirit get the rights to a top young goaltending prospect and all you can do here is talk about how press releases are written?
Amazing.
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Post by bpfox on Sept 15, 2007 7:17:48 GMT -5
Let me get this straight, we have all pretty much shown some concern about the goalie situation. In fact, we have been talking about it for a couple of seasons now. So the Spirit make a move to try and attract a top prospect to the OHL and specifically to the Spirit and we are going to complain about a quote in a press release? I guess it is true, some people will complain if you hang them with a new rope!
A couple of observations if I may:
The Spirit only aquired this guy's rights. I can understand Edwards trying to do that because he has a connection to this kid and like it or not, he knows goaltending. Signing him is another thing all together. To do that he will have to SELL the kid and his parents on giving up a Harvard education to come here.
Craig Goslin is not only a part owner of the Spirit he is the Managing Partner. That means it's his day to day duty to oversee all things related to the Spirit including what the GM does. Craig Goslin is also the consumate salesman. His quote in this article is just him SELLING the fans the fact that Don Edwards was a good choice for GM. Can you blame him? After reading many of the posts on this board it would be easy to come to the conclusion that many of you folks need come convincing.
Craig Goslin does not write the news articles for the Spirit web site. Interns do that. Did you expect Craig to say "no comment" when asked about this move? That sure isn't very realistic. Heck, nobody even asked us what we thought, but that isn't stopping us from putting our two cents worth in. If you can't stand reading quotes from Craig Goslin about the Saginaw Spirit on this board or the Spirit web page I might suggest you stop reading them. You might want to include the Saginaw News in that as well because I am pretty sure when you see a quote there it's because he was asked for his comment.
What we should be talking about here is, how does this move effect this year's team. Obviously it only effects the team if he can be signed. Datch thinks this move means Zelenbaba is on his way out. I'm not sure this kid will give up a change at a Harvard education to come to Saginaw as a back up goalie. Do you?
I doubt this move will have any impact on the goalie situation this season. This kid does not go to school until next season and the Spirt will take this season to SELL him on coming here with the offer of a starting goaltender position as the carrot. He won't get that at Harvard.
So here's my goaltending prediction: Zelenbaba's future with the Spirit will be defined more by this weekends games than it will be by the move to aquire this kids rights. Signing the kid is a different story. I am sure Perron is here only because Daniels isn't. Look for Perron to be released as soon as Daniels returns. If they can somehow manage to sign the kid for this season, look for the team to trade Daniels. Daniels will bring a high return and it would open up a starting slot for the kid.
One final note; So far Edwards' player moves have been with guys he has had personal experience with. That's ok, but I am curious to see how he does out side of that comfort zone. I, for now, am willing to give the guy a chance to prove he belongs. Craig Goslin does not need to sell me anything, but I understand why he will continue to try to do so. Peace.
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Sept 15, 2007 11:22:19 GMT -5
igive & bp nailed it! You both are right on!
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Post by Sparky on Sept 15, 2007 13:31:29 GMT -5
This whole Goslin thing may be my fault. I'm the one that kept posting about his appearance in every spirit announcement. It does bother me only because I know at least 4 current or past OHL owners that know 100 times what Goslin knows about hockey and they do not talk to the press. It is the GM's job to relate to the press and the public. How many times to you get quotes from the CEO of GM or Dow? How often do you hear Mike Illitch talk about the new draft pick? Not usually, it comes down to the spokesperson of the company / team, in our case Don Edwards. Anyway, enuff said on that subject, I promise I will not raise it again.
As for the goalie situation, I agree that this was probably a move aimed more at next year than this one. I don't think the starting goalie position for this year is a good idea because of his age. Promising him the role next year might convince him. I know we're dealing with a Harvard education here, but look at the facts, student athletes (for the most part) are on easy class schedules, is he really going to get a "Harvard" education? But, he can negotiate his college package with the Spirit that will provide him a very good education at just about any school he chooses should he not make the pro's, while still getting some college courses while playing here. Personally, I don't see convincing him to play here an impossibility or even an improbability, but definitely a challenge.
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Post by Sparky on Sept 15, 2007 13:36:16 GMT -5
Spiritfan8, QUICK, post again, I just noticed your on your 667th minus 1 post!
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Post by sagspiritsfan on Sept 15, 2007 13:47:40 GMT -5
We still dont know what we have given up for Hoyle so im going to venture that its a 15th round conditional pick .. bumped up to whatever pick until he signs.. Which I believe he will.
BP - I still dont think they are going to trade Daniels right away if they get Hoyle to sign. I would be absolutely shocked If they went with Matt Hoyle and Jovica Zelenbaba. Hoyle is a true rookie and Zelenbaba played 80 Minutes. I agree that Daniels value is high, however he can be a good mentor to Hoyle, he is a starting goalie, he can help us win.
However, if the Spirit were to trade Daniels what do you think we would be seeking in return? Is there other teams with 89 goalies that we could acquire? Lets face it there is no way we go with Hoyle and Zelenbaba...
What does everybody think a fair trade value for Ryan Daniels is?
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Post by bpfox on Sept 15, 2007 16:07:21 GMT -5
saginawspiritsfan, I agree, I don't think you will see them go with Hoyle & Zelenbaba either. I am sorry if I gave you that impression. I was going under the premise that Hoyle's signing was not going to happen in the short term. If it does, great, he can back up Daniels and take 30 % of the starts. Then by the trade deadline if the playoffs don't look like they are going to happen, (like most are predicting) then trade Daniels and make the most of it. If it looks like they have a real shot at making the playoffs, keep things as they are.
My point about Zelenbaba was that he is not impacted by the Spirit aquiring the rights to Hoyle. He will only be impacted if they sign him. Obviously Edwards thinks he has a pretty good shot at doing that, but let's remember, the Spirit thought they had a pretty good shot at signing Phil Kessel and we all know how that turned out. Not saying Hoyle is on par with Kessel but you get the idea.
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Post by teamspirit08 on Sept 15, 2007 16:13:02 GMT -5
How many OHL teams make an announcement about "acquring the rights" of a player unless they don't anticipate signing him.
Teams pickup, trade, etc. non-roster players all the time - most of the time without any press releases.
I wouldn't be suprised at all to see Hoyle in town soon.
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Post by sagspiritsfan on Sept 15, 2007 16:34:39 GMT -5
Alright BP thats what I gathered. If Daniels was to be traded we would need a goaltender in return. If Hoyle signs id say Zelenbaba would become the 3rd goalie for the 2nd straight year. I cant see either Hoyle or Zelenbaba rotating dressing because Edwards had Hoyle last year, he wont leave a scholarship to sit on the bench or stands. So most likely a year or partial year of grooming under Daniels, pending if we trade him at the deadline or before then. I still think we will trade Daniels at the deadline or before the deadline simply because the Spirit need to capitalize on players that they can trade and get something in return for. Daniels most likely wont be back for an OA season.
Which still begs the question... Were going to need a goalie in return for Daniels, but what is Daniels worth? What is a potential trade for Daniels?
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