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Post by spiritfever on Apr 15, 2016 12:58:00 GMT -5
Spiritfever...very sorry and didn't mean to rip you apart (although I do think I was a little gentler than that )...you were the just straw that broke donjohnson's back and it wasn't just you and I even included myself because I'm sure I've been guilty of it from time to time. You've been a great contributor on this board and I was just trying to restore a little order before we hire a new coach and potentially make other offseason moves that have a good potential to be controversial and inspire good debates on here. No worries, all good, point well taken.
Go Spirit Go!
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Post by donjohnson on Apr 15, 2016 19:04:56 GMT -5
Regarding your link though, David Bell is an interesting choice...even though he's young, he's been in coaching (in this league) for 9 years and played in this league. Looking at his hockeydb stats, he had a decent amount of penalty minutes throughout his career which leads me to think that he probably likes coaching a tougher team which makes me happy because I've always felt we've lacked that especially in our division.
He also has ties to Drinkell and sort of goes with the trend in professional sports of hiring a younger coach vs. the "old guard" that you might get with the coach from Wisconsin or someone who has NHL experience. The good side to that is that even though there's 20ish years difference in age, a 39 year old is going to understand kids probably more than a 55 year old. The bad side is usually the younger guy hasn't proved himself as a head coach so you don't have a big resume to draw from.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Post by kingpin794 on Apr 15, 2016 19:24:45 GMT -5
I've said in the past, I'd rather go the young up and comer route vs a guy like Dave Lewis. I'd go for Bell.
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Post by dannynoonan on Apr 16, 2016 12:37:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing them hire John Gruden. Just for the simple fact that I would like to see what Gruden could do with the full support of ownership and a general manager that both weren't out to sabotage his decisions.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Apr 16, 2016 13:26:37 GMT -5
I agree with Danny that Gruden would be my personal front runner at this time, although I could be persuaded to change that if the proper qualifications arose. The problem is I'm not really sure what those qualifications are...
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Post by spiritfever on Apr 26, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -5
Any more news on a coach? I hope its announced before rookie camp!
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Post by FreelandSpirit on Apr 26, 2016 11:58:57 GMT -5
Well if rumors are true our next coach may still be an assistant coach on a team that is playing. Out of respect they wont announce anything externally until that team finishes up in the playoffs.
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Post by thepuckman on May 3, 2016 20:27:35 GMT -5
If David Bell is indeed the choice, I'd say it is highly unlikely he is here for rookie camp. The only way he is here is if Niagara gets swept by London, as game 4 would be Wednesday, May 11. If there is no coach in place by rookie camp, Drinkill should be fired immediately. You cannot send that message to the prospects and their families.
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Post by kingpin794 on May 3, 2016 21:08:56 GMT -5
If David Bell is indeed the choice, I'd say it is highly unlikely he is here for rookie camp. The only way he is here is if Niagara gets swept by London, as game 4 would be Wednesday, May 11. If there is no coach in place by rookie camp, Drinkill should be fired immediately. You cannot send that message to the prospects and their families. But if he has a deal in place with Bell or some other assistant still coaching, then we do have a coach. We just can't announce it and he is unavailable for the rookie camp. I don't see why he should be fired for that. Why hire someone you don't want just so you can have a warm body at a couple of scrimmages? I'm sure that if Drinkell has hired an assistant that is still coach as of right now, then he will inform the prospects, their families, and their agents and such so that they know that it isn't a rutterless ship. He doesn't have to, nor can he, tells us if this is the case out of respect for that other organization. Do you really suggest they hire just anyone so that there is a human being with the label "coach" there or be fired otherwise?
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Post by thepuckman on May 4, 2016 7:53:26 GMT -5
If David Bell is indeed the choice, I'd say it is highly unlikely he is here for rookie camp. The only way he is here is if Niagara gets swept by London, as game 4 would be Wednesday, May 11. If there is no coach in place by rookie camp, Drinkill should be fired immediately. You cannot send that message to the prospects and their families. But if he has a deal in place with Bell or some other assistant still coaching, then we do have a coach. We just can't announce it and he is unavailable for the rookie camp. I don't see why he should be fired for that. Why hire someone you don't want just so you can have a warm body at a couple of scrimmages? I'm sure that if Drinkell has hired an assistant that is still coach as of right now, then he will inform the prospects, their families, and their agents and such so that they know that it isn't a rutterless ship. He doesn't have to, nor can he, tells us if this is the case out of respect for that other organization. Do you really suggest they hire just anyone so that there is a human being with the label "coach" there or be fired otherwise? My issue is with this never-ending nepotism Drinkill has with Barrie. I'm sick of him dealing only with ex-Barrie guys. I'm not saying only have a body but do some work and find the most qualified guy. Don't just rest on your familiarity with a guy whose never been a head coach before. To me, he is settling on David Bell and is not actively searching for the best coach. As you can see, his nepotism with Kreis and Kaura worked real well. He went out of his way to help Barrie at Saginaw''s expense and he may have set the franchise back for years to come. This is an important hire and Drinkill has done nothing to show me he should be making it. You say tell people that this is not a rutterless ship, but it sure looks like one to me.
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Post by kingpin794 on May 4, 2016 8:15:48 GMT -5
But if he has a deal in place with Bell or some other assistant still coaching, then we do have a coach. We just can't announce it and he is unavailable for the rookie camp. I don't see why he should be fired for that. Why hire someone you don't want just so you can have a warm body at a couple of scrimmages? I'm sure that if Drinkell has hired an assistant that is still coach as of right now, then he will inform the prospects, their families, and their agents and such so that they know that it isn't a rutterless ship. He doesn't have to, nor can he, tells us if this is the case out of respect for that other organization. Do you really suggest they hire just anyone so that there is a human being with the label "coach" there or be fired otherwise? My issue is with this never-ending nepotism Drinkill has with Barrie. I'm sick of him dealing only with ex-Barrie guys. I'm not saying only have a body but do some work and find the most qualified guy. Don't just rest on your familiarity with a guy whose never been a head coach before. To me, he is settling on David Bell and is not actively searching for the best coach. As you can see, his nepotism with Kreis and Kaura worked real well. He went out of his way to help Barrie at Saginaw''s expense and he may have set the franchise back for years to come. This is an important hire and Drinkill has done nothing to show me he should be making it. You say tell people that this is not a rutterless ship, but it sure looks like one to me. Ok so your problem would be him hiring a former Barrie guy and not that a coach won't be a camp. Ok I get that point and agree with you a bit on that.
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Post by donjohnson on May 4, 2016 10:48:10 GMT -5
How is it any difference that the fascination that everyone has with the Patriots staff or someone from the Coach K coaching tree. You find a team/org. that's had success and good mentorship and you pluck from that tree.
I really don't care where he gets players and coaches from as long as they win.
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Post by offthepost on May 4, 2016 10:49:51 GMT -5
So, let's look at where we are. We hired a GM with minimal experience (was assistant GM for a year or 2). He trades for a kid who was a failed first round pick from his former team (kreis). Trades away 2 goalies who could have given his "franchise " goalie some rest during a horrible year loaded with loses (also his draft year). Brings in a goalie who had limited experience in 3 years with a career gaa over 4.3. While keeping a rookie prospect in Jr B where he played in less than half his teams games. Drafts 2 kids who, while might be great one day, have both indicated that they have no plans on playing in the OHL for at least 2 years if ever. Trades 3 picks for a player expected to be an OA next year who is a marginal 19 year old on a team that made moves to "go for it". Why was Hodgson even available? Now he is conducting a coach search with the front runner from day one being his buddy with no head coaching experience. Leading scorer returns to KHL, while Nemo might not return and go play in Finland pro league since he is "here on loan". Looks like this team is flying by the seat of its pants. I'll give Drinkill credit, he has sure had a busy year. I will give him credit for getting a good deal for Sadowy (again with Barrie).
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Post by ohlhcky on May 5, 2016 7:55:40 GMT -5
Well stated offthepost. I would not be surprised if it is GRUDEN ....
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Post by Disco Stu on May 6, 2016 15:59:33 GMT -5
One of Bode Wilde's best friends, if you believe Twitter, is Johnny Gruden, his teammate, who is also NTDP, a Knights draft pick, committed to Miami U, and the son of Jon Gruden, former coach of the Firebirds. For what that's worth.
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