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Post by mievl on Oct 20, 2008 18:15:10 GMT -5
with watson seeming to want allicock on the ice rather than in the box, we have seen allicocks fighting decrease. that being said, does the team need a legit heavy, or will they be ok as they are? we all know allicock can go, as well as szwarz and a few others, but none of them could stand up to guys like fletcher or neuber. for the most part i think they are ok, but you know eventually there will be a game where the other team will try their hardest to rough us up ala peterborough i believe it was last year. if they do try to pick someone up, who is available??
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Post by donjohnson on Oct 20, 2008 20:10:14 GMT -5
we need a legit heavyweight...Fletcher was able to do anything he wanted last game. He had a huge (but clean) hit on Combs in open ice. Despite being clean, you don't let someone measure up your superstar in open ice. There was no threat to Fletcher and there won't be against Greenop, Neuber or even Peluso (i think Allicock hanging in was a fluke IMO). It would be nice to catch someone off of waivers from the USHL or WHL since most of the heavys are spoken for in the OHL. When Ryan Baldwin went to Guelph, that was the last one available. The only one who might be available is DiDiomete but he's not that big.
There was talk a while back I heard from a guy on here (tincup19) that there was a heavy coming from Pittsburgh that was a buddy of Murovich's. Haven't heard anything for a while on that one.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Oct 20, 2008 21:43:16 GMT -5
Forget DiDiomete. He's playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack in the AHL.
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Post by donjohnson on Oct 21, 2008 9:01:44 GMT -5
well...good for him and bad info by me...thanks SF8
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Post by eaglei12 on Oct 22, 2008 7:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by donjohnson on Oct 22, 2008 9:14:59 GMT -5
as I read that report it really hits home that we really lack people to drop the golves. Yes we have tough, gritty guys like sanderson and murovich but Allicock is realistically the only guy that's going to do any fighting for us this year. In order to have the type of team that Watson wants, we're going to have to bring in a 4th liner that can fight because right now we're going to be vulnerable to big hits and cheap shots from the rest of the Western Conference.
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Post by eaglei12 on Oct 22, 2008 9:49:10 GMT -5
Yah, I agree and would like to see allicock more on the ice this year than in the box. I give the kid credit though to go out and protect his team but give the job to someone else who doesn't have an offensive upside to the team. I think Allicock has shown he has skill and has skating ability and with his size can eventually be an offesive strength up front and still be an occasional fighter. Need to bring on a 4th liner for sure.
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Post by Sparky on Oct 22, 2008 11:18:25 GMT -5
who says Kain can't be both, Remeber a young man named Bob Probert?
GP G A Pt PM GP G A PT PM
1982-83 Brantford Alexanders OHL 51 12 16 28 133 8 2 2 4 23
1983-84 Brantford Alexanders OHL 65 35 38 73 189 6 0 3 3 16
1984-85 Hamilton Steelhawks OHL 4 0 1 1 21 -- -- -- -- --
1984-85 SS Marie Greyhounds OHL 44 20 52 72 172 15 6 11 17 60
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Post by Frogger1 on Oct 22, 2008 20:46:37 GMT -5
Seriously Sparky, you're not comparing Kain Allicock to Bob Probert are you? I assume it's tongue-in-cheek. If not then consider that Probert had a long NHL career that, but for his drug and alcohol problem could have been pretty special. Allicock is a arguably an average player on an average OHL team. Even look at your own Junior stats of Probert. He had 12, 35 and 21 goals respectively. Kain has a whopping three. Not trying to start a fight but more shocked I guess.
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Post by eaglei12 on Oct 22, 2008 21:28:08 GMT -5
Yes but Frogger1 you have no idea at this point what allicock can actually become. Not that i'm saying he will but who knows what the kid is capable of. He didn't get a chance last season and this season is just starting to get some ice time. With confidence and regular shifts who knows!!!!! I believe Sparky is saying that you can be a player and fighter at the same time and that Kain has the capablity of being both ..... time will tell as he gains more experience.
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Post by hockeymaestro on Oct 22, 2008 21:50:04 GMT -5
The tools are there. To be successful will require a combination of several things.
1) He definitely needs some guidance via his Head Coach.
2) discipline in key situations
3) focus on the task at hand
4) desire
If he can take advantage of what is being offered to him combined with demonstrating characteristic 2 through 4 as mentioned above, his stock will shoot up!
I hope he frequents this forum!
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Post by donjohnson on Oct 23, 2008 7:29:54 GMT -5
ok folks, let's not get crazy here...Allicock's in the lineup for one main purpose, to stand up for his teammates when called upon. It's a nice bonus that he's not a liability on the ice and actually has some hockey talent, but come on, are we really looking to Kain to be a major (or average) point producer?
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Post by newguy on Oct 23, 2008 19:45:20 GMT -5
This debate goes back to the issue of when to suggest a poster is crazy or just dead wrong.
Yes, some have suggested that of me, and that's an opinion they're entitled to, and you won't hear me cry about it.
The suggestion that "no one knows" what kind of scorer Kain Allicock could be...I guess is factually accurate..
But I'm pretty sure that it's "borderline insane" having watched him play to suggest he's got the hands to someday score 35 goals, or 20, or possibly 12 in the OHL.
He has some tools...but they don't involve scoring many goals.
Let's not try and make a kid something he isn't...even the suggestion is unfair to Allicock.
Just a suggestion..
By the way - what's the latest on the radio situation and who is doing the lengthy road trip this weekend? I have heard nothing on this..
And given the Spirit website's BIGGEST story is promoting Disney Playhouse at the Dow, it's patently obvious, there's no big hockey news or word on new acquisitions or players returning to the lineup this weekend.
The Spirit website deserves everything they get in terms of criticism...in terms of providing fans with information and what not, it's completely abysmal.
I hope they hire a PBP man that can handle the web, and yes indeed, make it a lot more like the Plymouth Whalers website, amongst many others.
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Post by Frogger1 on Oct 23, 2008 20:15:35 GMT -5
But I'm pretty sure that it's "borderline insane" having watched him play to suggest he's got the hands to someday score 35 goals, or 20, or possibly 12 in the OHL. He has some tools...but they don't involve scoring many goals. Let's not try and make a kid something he isn't...even the suggestion is unfair to Allicock. Basically that was my point. Let's not compare a guy who was an NHL All-Star and a Junior hockey stud to a guy that has only produced 3 goals in his Junior career. It's not fair and frankly it lacks accuracy. |
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Post by roinuj on Oct 23, 2008 21:22:52 GMT -5
Would somebody please define toughness as it applies to the hockey player. I'm of the opinion that the player who who retrieves pucks regardless of who is bearing in on them and makes the appropriate play is far tougher than the guy who stands at center ice and drops the gloves.
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