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Post by sensspiritfan on Oct 7, 2008 22:27:19 GMT -5
I also have a feeling ( like Sparky ) that Saad will never play for the Spirit. If he wants to play with his brother this year then who's to say he will follow his brother to University which I really expect he will do. I may be wrong but was he not going to come to training camp to see what things were like and never showed.
This was the highlight of Edward's management not getting someone to play from the 08 draft.
Watson is going to have his hands full doing both jobs.
The first thing he should do is go out and get a good D coach like most of the other franchises that are successful have, not many teams have only 2 coaches on the bench.
Maybe the situation with Edwards and Watson was filtered down to the players by Watson as an outlet for his frustration. Maybe now with him running the show he may be a changed man in practice and the dressing room.
He certainly did not take long to make his first trade, I am willing to give Skellett every cahnce but I hope we are not getting someone else's headache(not playing or practicing all year)- especially since Chris Breen was an oustanding individual both on and off the ice.
I'm sure there will be more moves in the near future.
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Post by acwright84 on Oct 7, 2008 23:06:15 GMT -5
now we are back to the same problem we had with mancini one man with more responsibility than any one man is capable of. But i'm sure you think mancini was successful he was here 2 1/2 years and had easily the best team talentwise we've ever had and he managed a whopping 2 playoff wins, yeah this guy was a genius. He was to blame for that failed season not G&G or anyone else in the organization. If you want them to find someone like him I would say be careful what you wish for. You will end up with someone that thinks their smarter and more important than the organization and neither bob mancini nor anyone else fits that catagory. I say good riddance to both edwards and mancini. However I don't want to hear anyone that likes this move complain that we are "unstable and continue to go through management changes" because you've been asking for it. I'm sorry but I think this is truly an ignorant statement. Mancini put together a very good team from virtually nothing. He practically stole good players from other teams and his Euro draft was outstanding. Using the fact that the team only one two playoff games is not really valid. Great teams get upset. That squad had a key injury (O'Marra), Ran into an incredibly hot goal tender (Juice) and witnessed the emergence and incredible offensive run by a D-Man (Godfrey). Add to that the fact that Daniels didn't play well. By your logic every time the Red Wings got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round (a few times in the last decade or so) the GM and coaches were to blame. I don't think most NHL Hockey minds would call Ken Holland and Scotty Bowman anything but the best at their jobs yet they lost after running into a hot team as well. Bottom line - that Spirit team had everything it needed. They put 3 players at the Team Canada World Junior Camp and two others at their respective national team camp. They had great role player (Haskin, Asselin, Bass, Etc) Not a bad squad at all. Would I have liked more playoff wins - certainly - but to blame Mancini is simply wrong. And even worse is to put Bob Mancini in the same category as Don Edwards. The point is that the blame for that season doesn't lie solely with G&G as some others on here will have you believe. Mancini had his hand in the cookie jar so to speak right along with G&G. So when someone critisizes their management style and put someone else on a pedestal that was right beside them that is unfair. |
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Post by Frogger1 on Oct 8, 2008 6:18:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I think this is truly an ignorant statement. Mancini put together a very good team from virtually nothing. He practically stole good players from other teams and his Euro draft was outstanding. Using the fact that the team only one two playoff games is not really valid. Great teams get upset. That squad had a key injury (O'Marra), Ran into an incredibly hot goal tender (Juice) and witnessed the emergence and incredible offensive run by a D-Man (Godfrey). Add to that the fact that Daniels didn't play well. By your logic every time the Red Wings got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round (a few times in the last decade or so) the GM and coaches were to blame. I don't think most NHL Hockey minds would call Ken Holland and Scotty Bowman anything but the best at their jobs yet they lost after running into a hot team as well. Bottom line - that Spirit team had everything it needed. They put 3 players at the Team Canada World Junior Camp and two others at their respective national team camp. They had great role player (Haskin, Asselin, Bass, Etc) Not a bad squad at all. Would I have liked more playoff wins - certainly - but to blame Mancini is simply wrong. And even worse is to put Bob Mancini in the same category as Don Edwards. The point is that the blame for that season doesn't lie solely with G&G as some others on here will have you believe. Mancini had his hand in the cookie jar so to speak right along with G&G. So when someone critisizes their management style and put someone else on a pedestal that was right beside them that is unfair. If that was your point then I missed it. For that I apologize. |
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Post by newguy on Oct 8, 2008 6:47:24 GMT -5
Of course Mancini had "a part" in it. He made the calls on the trades. He took the blame himself after the Sault beat his team.
But he did FAR more good than bad, and brought far more positive credibility than negative to a team.
Name me another person who's done that among owners, general managers, coaches. Who else left with their record essentially a "plus" as opposed to a "minus".
Nobody - this isn't an argument you're going to win. And why deflect the present scenario to start on and on about what happened 2-3 years ago. Who are you defending anymore? The horse is already out of the barn.
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Post by acwright84 on Oct 8, 2008 11:10:04 GMT -5
I never defended edwards, like many others here I thought it was a bad move as well. However I don't think G&G get the credit they deserve and are often unfairly critisized. The ownership of this team could be much worse.
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