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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 10, 2013 8:40:00 GMT -5
Rare is the teenager in the OHL who doesn't take shifts--or games--off. The operative word there is "teenager".
As I mentioned. he excelled once traded to Barrie. Perhaps being Mark Schiefle's linemate--thus by definition not being the best player on the ice--motivated him.
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Post by USAhockey on Sept 10, 2013 9:04:46 GMT -5
Switching topic to a recent ex spirit captain. Does anyone have word on what Trocheck's future holds in PLY are they(FLORIDA PANTHERS) going to keep him in the OHL for one more year ? Or is he going to the AHL?
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Post by kingpin794 on Sept 10, 2013 10:58:04 GMT -5
Switching topic to a recent ex spirit captain. Does anyone have word on what Trocheck's future holds in PLY are they(FLORIDA PANTHERS) going to keep him in the OHL for one more year ? Or is he going to the AHL? Less than 0 chance he's returned to OHL. He's already signed and will be playing in San Antonio. Might make the move to wing. |
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Post by USAhockey on Sept 10, 2013 13:20:15 GMT -5
Ok, thats good news for us competition wise but what about the conditional picks we recieved?
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Post by donjohnson on Sept 11, 2013 5:20:42 GMT -5
I'm sure the trade had to do with him getting called up last year so the picks are ours...looking back at the old thread, here is what the yahoo writer said about it:
Sunaya Sapurji รพ@sunayas
The conditions on the Trocheck picks (the 2nd + 3rd) are if he gets called up to the NHL + doesn't come back this year. #OHL
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Post by donjohnson on Sept 11, 2013 5:24:08 GMT -5
But don't forget that Cody Payne was also a "later" part of the deal and it involved other picks going back to Plymouth. Here is how the final trade played out after you "cancel out" the picks that we traded:
Saginaw Gets:
Zach Bratina
Cody Payne
Kit 3rd Round - 2015
Plymouth Gets:
Vincent Trocheck
2nd Round - 2015
6th Round - 2016
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Post by USAhockey on Sept 14, 2013 18:24:24 GMT -5
Eddie Pasquale getting the start in net for the Winnipeg Jets in there first pre-season game. CONGRATS to him.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 15, 2013 7:44:54 GMT -5
Eddie Pasquale getting the start in net for the Winnipeg Jets in there first pre-season game. CONGRATS to him. Eddie had 36 saves in a 4-3 SO loss to the Caps, surrendering only a goal to Mike "Game Over" Green in the shootout. (The Caps' nickname, not mine). The 3 goals EP gave up were 2 deflections and a great solo effort by a Caps' prospect. Eddie looked very good, and got quite a bit of love from the CBC crew doing the game. The game, BTW, was in Belleville, this year's Kraft Hockeyville. Both goalies were Bulls' alumni, as Philip Grubauer was in net for the Caps. Lots of OHL alums playing, and a pretty good effort by the players for a first preseason game. At one point, the TV crew was discussing the possibility of Tom Wilson being sent back to Plymouth. One could almost sense sphincters tightening across the league..... (For the record, I consider the chances of that approximately the same as the chances of Trocheck coming back. Zero) |
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Post by kingpin794 on Sept 15, 2013 8:42:47 GMT -5
Not to take this thread of topic but Wilson is a 94. It's either NHL or OHL for him this year. Plus power forwards always take a little longer to develop. So his chances of getting returned are alot higher than Trocheck. If he is returned, there are going to be a few teams trying to get him at the trade deadline.
Back to our our regular scheduled thread topic.
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Post by dannynoonan on Sept 16, 2013 13:17:01 GMT -5
Ben Chiarot also played for the Winnipeg Jets in the game that was played in Belleville.
The TV announcers said the debate the Washington Capitals were having was should Tom Wilson play 8 minutes a night in Washington or 24 minutes a night in Plymouth. Sounds similar to the what the Blackhawks faced a couple years ago with Brandon Saad.
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Post by Disco Stu on Sept 16, 2013 16:14:57 GMT -5
Re: the debate over whether to send a 19 year old prospect back to junior, A.K.A. the "8 minutes a night in the NHL or 20+ minutes a night in the OHL" debate
It seems there are pros and cons over sending a kid down. If you know he can play at the NHL level, the only reason to send him down is because you don't want to start his free agent clock too early. In other words, teams have a certain number of years of exclusive barganing rights to a player before they become a restricted and then an unrestricted free agent. If you keep him in the NHL at a younger age, you run the risk of making him a free agent either before or during the prime of his career (generally thought to be in the 25-30 year old area).
On the other hand, if he can play at the NHL level, chances are he will learn more from being around NHL level coaches and players, which is better for him than being around junior coaches and players. He will also practice on a daily basis with NHL coaches and NHL players instead of junior coaches and players.
In addition, if he plays 8 minutes a night in the NHL, or 24 minutes a night in junior, his playing time is 3x more in junior, which means that he is 3x as likely to suffer some random injury while playing which would harm his development. It might seem counter-productive to say that playing a guy less would be a benefit, but when you consider that random injuries happen all the time, then the more you play, the more likely you are to suffer one.
Unless a prospect is not yet at a level where they can compete in the NHL, or unless a player degrades for some reason from not getting enough playing time, and you do not care about starting the free agent clock early, I think the argument is in favor of keeping the player in the NHL vs. sending the player down. No matter who it is.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 16, 2013 18:20:25 GMT -5
Mea culpa, first of all. It seems like Wilson has been around forever, so I just thought he was about 22.....
Wilson saw significant playoff minutes for the Caps last spring, and more than lived up to their faith in him. He is exactly the type of player the Caps are sorely in need of. Since he's 19, I'll amend the chances of him returning from "zero" to "very slim".
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Post by spiritrock on Sept 22, 2013 21:47:41 GMT -5
Garrett Ross played for Chicago tonight against the Wings. He even got a goal. I would be happier for him if it was for a different team.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 23, 2013 11:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by bpfox on Sept 23, 2013 17:23:44 GMT -5
Garrett Ross played for Chicago tonight against the Wings. He even got a goal. I would be happier for him if it was for a different team. I is beyond me how any hockey fan of Saginaw hockey history cannot have the Chicago Blackhawks among their list of favorite NHL teams. Maybe it's just me, or perhaps you have to an older fan to fully appreciate the Black Hawks. Maybe it's because when Saginaw had the Blackhawks number one farm team and they sent all of their top prospects here to play at a time when the Dead Wings, er I mean Red Wings really sucked. Now granted, I am a fan of the game and as such I really don't hate any team, well Plymouth, but that's a given. But even with Plymouth I have gone to games there when the Spirit were not playing to see a former Spirit player play. I look forward to the day that Brandon Saad and Garret Ross suit up for the Blackhawks as they take on the Red Wings with Jake Paterson in goal in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. |
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