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Post by newguy on Sept 4, 2008 16:47:15 GMT -5
Shouldn't the Spirit tell all of us he's not reporting?
EDIT: Never mind, I read the Mlive story. I'd still like to hear it in a quote. Constantinople has been writing about Daniels all year so it's clear they're feeding him the talking points straight from the horse's mouth, but not enough courage to go on the record.
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. They're as tight-lipped as the Kremlin. But I guess I can take your word for it.
It should never have come to that point. You need to manage players so they don't "not report".
But we're not responsible for the Spirit goaltending scenario. They are. I hope it works out. I have no agenda other than to see a winning hockey team.
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Post by ohlfan06 on Sept 4, 2008 19:57:21 GMT -5
In all honesty I dont think we have a goaltending situation, at the end of last year Watson and Edwards made it very clear who would be the number 1 goaltender this year, and that was Pasquale. I can't imagine why Daniels would want to come back. I also hope Pasquale lives up to the hype, if he doesn't and we end up having terrible goaltending well then maybe Watson and Edwards should have planned a little bit better. Cross your fingers everyone, it could be a bumpy ride again this season!
As for the Spirit telling us hes not reporting..thats a laugh..whens the last time the organization actually told us anything or the truth for that matter?
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Post by tuppura on Sept 4, 2008 20:54:59 GMT -5
I have to say I was a little disturbed at the article in Mlive today. I was shocked.
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Post by newguy on Sept 4, 2008 21:24:08 GMT -5
What were you shocked about? I'm just asking. Quite curious.
Probably not that it was poorly-written.
And, just curious, can anyone name a BETTER player in the league who is "not reporting"? I'm being honest, I don't know of any.
My point being, if you have trade value, nineteen other clubs made sure you were at their camp. One club did not do that.
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 4, 2008 21:37:17 GMT -5
What were you shocked about? I'm just asking. Quite curious. Probably not that it was poorly-written. ;D ;D ;D!!! |
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Post by tuppura on Sept 5, 2008 7:03:12 GMT -5
Two things.
Our first and second not reporting, obviously Mark takes a shot at Don Edwards....rightly so. Its so inept. Didn't we discuss all last year how we were after a youth movement, stockpiling picks.
Then we do the draft, and your top two are not interested. Now Saad might be a different story, but are you telling me he was the ONE! He is no Fowler where there is great benefit in taking the risk. It absurb! Then Morgan, man wasted pick.
Finally, the punishment of a bag skate and the quote from Watson "you did this to yourselves"....sounds really nutty. I mean they are five days in - and one player - misses a meeting. Is it crazy to assume that he be punished....rather than subject the whole team.
This is 2008 - sounded a little backwards. I just am not sure older players are in sync with the policy of paying the price for a team members mistakes.
The message that I got from reading the article - is we are being run by complete ineptness.
That the leadership is being questioned out loud.
That we are in for a tough few years.
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Post by newguy on Sept 5, 2008 7:18:10 GMT -5
Topphat:
"Can't you stay positive? These owners are great just for bringing us hockey in Saginaw. We should pay top-dollar and be happy with what we get! Isn't mediocre and losing hockey better than no hockey? They've accomplished so little in six years and are nowhere close to even getting to the conference finals, something which TWELVE of the other NINETEEN teams have done since the team was bought. But come on, I just can't stand this negativity".
(Sorry - out-of-body experience. It was like I was possessed. I'm better now. And loved your post. Honesty and objectivity. Can't beat it. Why shouldn't Edwards be held accountable for his ineptness and part of it isn't his fault, because he was totally not ready nor knowledgable enough about the league to take this job. Again, Mississauga rejected his application to be an "assistant coach". Saginaw hired him as their "general manager". Say no more.)
On to the Watson issue,
I think Watson is a real good coach and will get a lot from the probable lack of talent this year. I mean, let's face it, on this roster are a lot of guys that other organizations either gave up on or had little use for...Pleckaitis and Underwood for example, and I liked how both played at times last year.
But the one drawback is, his style is very in-your-face, very law-and-order, and you can only break the 2x4 over kids' backs so often. We'll see if it works. It certainly did for Combs and McDonough, but they also, Combs especially, had far more ice time than the previous year with Mancini.
But I agree, bag-skating kids in training camp will only lead to losing some kids down the line. But who's for us to say if it was merited or not.
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Post by acwright84 on Sept 5, 2008 7:50:16 GMT -5
would someone please post the link to the article so the rest of us who don't get the sag. news can know what you all are talking about.
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Post by donjohnson on Sept 5, 2008 8:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by IGive1 on Sept 5, 2008 9:52:47 GMT -5
In regards to the near term future of this team.....I just don't think they will be making a bid to host the Memorial Cup for quite sometime. Cancelling playoff games due to bad ice, does not help as well.
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Post by newguy on Sept 5, 2008 10:11:33 GMT -5
If they can build proper suites...it'd be a great fit for the Memorial Cup. The arena has a great mix of old and new, and all visiting fans seem to say great things about it.
The problem won't be the arena (well, it might be, without suites) - it could be the team. You have to LOOK on paper like you're going to be a contender and by 2011, could they be?
If they blow it up this season and start over (yes..you heard me)..and do what they did in 2002-03, it's a lot more possible.
They'd need a couple impact rookies in the 2009 draft and hopefully one of those kids is Top 3. My fear (obviously) is they'd have the wrong guy making the pick, and the wrong guys (the owners) in his ear about who to take. Mancini constantly dealt with that. Again, you can believe me or not believe me, but Garber insisted Mancini take Nick Petrecki when Mancini vetoed his OWNER and took Torquato instead. Petrecki never had his skates on OHL ice after Plymouth took him.
But if they see the light...soon....then they should put in a Mem Cup bid. Oshawa was awful when they put in the bid for the 2008 one, but they had Tavares coming. Every whisper around the league seems to suggest Windsor's the front runner. They'll have an awesome team in 2 years with Taylor Hall, Ryan Ellis, and Austin Watson, and maybe Fowler.
Saginaw needs their Tavares. Sorry but they do. If Combs isn't back, they have no all-star calibre players with the possible exception of Brodie or Crawford, and neither will be close to one of the best 5 defencemen in the league.
My friends, time to admit, they're going backward right now, not forward.
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Post by igive2 on Sept 5, 2008 11:59:02 GMT -5
My friends, time to admit, they're going backward right now, not forward. So lets say the Spirit wins 30 games this year and then Saad and Parker report next September (like Walch and Comrie did at age 17) does this change the direction? |
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Post by spiritfan8 on Sept 5, 2008 12:57:32 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. An awful lot of variables there. And I've never seen Walsh play, so I can't evaluate him.
But as I already posted: Saad and Parker don't do the Spirit any favors by not reporting this year. McNeill, Pyatt and Asselin reported, under probably worse circumstances. Their first year was brutal, and they had very little on-ice help. But it worked out pretty well for both them and the Spirit.
Also again: no grudges here against either Saad or Parker. They are doing what they and their families feel is best. The blame lies elsewhere.
Bottom line: newguy's key words are "right now". And what he posted is true.
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Post by tuppura on Sept 5, 2008 13:40:00 GMT -5
I can stay positive. But these are my opinions and the facts as I see them.
I thought the team was okay last year. I thought the drafting of 3 defense in the NHL draft was outstanding for the Spirit. I thought the team got a lot out of what they had and did fine. The team went on a roll and had its young ups and downs. In the end, they ended up where they deserved to be...they didn't over achieve.
My issue is - we are not going to be a decent team with the leadership in place. Mainly the GM and Head Coach.
Forget Garber Goslin and their meddling - that's so overrated. They own the team - they have that right. What bothers me is that we talk about making trades for the future - and when we get the chance we bungle it. What bothers me is our kids are treated poorly, beat into the ground and are not interested in playing here.
If Saad reports, he still is in his first year - a year older - but in his first year - and that mean you won't get it out of him next year either. It takes a year to get your feet wet. What bothers me is that he is no Fowler, and so why take a huge risk (pittsburgh kid to boot...to get nothing.
Morgan is just a right off, what kind of draft is that.
As for Watson, I think being old school works with a young team, and for the first while but after that you are asking for trouble. Big Trouble.
Kids talk, other kids for other teams hear the stories, read the boards and after a while - its not such a great place to play.
Getting bagskated the day of a play off game - is assinine. Getting backskated in training camp because a rookie missed a meeting is assinine. Getting backskated works once in a while...but it gets old. Players start to get it in their heads - why? You start to get kids who say - Nah don't draft me and you become an Erie. That's what is happening here. Players talk...its out there.
We're that close to being the next Erie. The fact that our GM and Head Coach absolutely hate each other is a whole other subject.
So I just pointing that out.
The fact that excerpt was printed on Mlive for all to see is so backwards I honestly wonder what others must think.
You did this to yourselves....are you have to be kidding me!
I'll get some meds and get back to being positive - but I am really worried. This is my last post on the subject so you can all relax.
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Post by Frogger1 on Sept 5, 2008 14:03:36 GMT -5
Just to set the record straight. The Bagskate was not because a rookie didn't show up for a meeting. It was a veteran with a habit of being late. The coach warned them the day before that if anyone is late, they bagskate. I have no problem with that. Plus it probably helped since it looked to me that a few guys came to camp in less than prime condition.
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