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Post by kingpin794 on Nov 23, 2015 16:29:08 GMT -5
Someone posted a question on FB about what is happening with Jay Wells? Anyone know whats up? The Spirit have parted ways with Jay Wells per their official Twitter aginaw Spirit @spirithockey 2m2 minutes ago The Saginaw Spirit have parted ways with Assistant Coach Jay Wells. The organization is currently evaluating the position. I'm ok with this. I wasn't a fan of strategy the D used and he was the D coach.
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Post by IGive1 on Nov 23, 2015 16:42:51 GMT -5
What was his strategy of using the D?
Surprised by this. I thought his addition last year was noticeable in a positive way.
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Post by eric8199 on Nov 23, 2015 22:41:15 GMT -5
Sounds like there's an open coaching position. I know a few people on here that should apply ;-)
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Post by dannynoonan on Nov 24, 2015 12:02:55 GMT -5
Sounds like there's an open coaching position. I know a few people on here that should apply ;-) I think the people you're talking about believe they are overqualified to be an assistant coach. They're polishing up their resumes for the General Manager and Head Coach positions.
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Post by twinsdad on Nov 25, 2015 23:05:48 GMT -5
I have very limited knowledge about hockey, nor how to coach, so I cannot say how to fix the difficulties I see. But as a fan, I get most frustrated watching us struggle to get out of our own zone with a sense of control, like I see our opponents do all too regularly. I am not sure if it is more that the other teams seem to know how to block our outlet passes, or we lack the drills (skills?) to control the puck with authority once we get it. If we do manage to get it out of our defensive zone, it seems haphazardly and that translates to less than ideal opportunities on the offensive side.
Again, I am not calling out certain players, as I cannot follow individuals that well. But if we can find a way to make it not as exciting just trying to get the puck back to neutral ice, I think good things will happen.
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Post by spiritfever on Dec 2, 2015 14:41:33 GMT -5
For discussion purpose only:
But any thoughts / comments on players that could potentially be traded as we near the trade deadline?
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Post by spiritfever on Feb 6, 2016 6:41:13 GMT -5
Well, I think it is very appropriate to bring this conversation back on the table!
A coaching change or even a GM change needs to happen ASAP. Something is not clicking. Either Gilbert cannot do his own thing as he is listening to Drinkell, or Gilbert is making some huge terrible decisions.
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Post by ohlhcky on Feb 6, 2016 11:20:41 GMT -5
spiritfever I agree with you. GM may be telling Gilbert who to play. Either way it is a mess.
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Post by roaddaw9 on Feb 6, 2016 14:26:54 GMT -5
In 14 seasons, we have switched GMs, Coaches, Players with the same result. Maybe the blame resides at a higher level? You can formulate your own thoughts, but their is one consistent role that hasn't changed since day 1 that the team has arrived. Are the GM and Coach being handicapped due to the decisions of a higher level? I will go on record and say yes I believe they are. Maybe rather then fire someone again, maybe its time to give the Coach and GM a little more power to make potentially better business decisions.
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Post by donjohnson on Feb 6, 2016 15:34:09 GMT -5
In 14 seasons, we have switched GMs, Coaches, Players with the same result. Maybe the blame resides at a higher level? You can formulate your own thoughts, but their is one consistent role that hasn't changed since day 1 that the team has arrived. Are the GM and Coach being handicapped due to the decisions of a higher level? I will go on record and say yes I believe they are. Maybe rather then fire someone again, maybe its time to give the Coach and GM a little more power to make potentially better business decisions. Last time I checked, we had a coach that recently won coach of the year and a GM that was hired by the Maple Leafs. Seems like our owners are hiring good people which is their only job. If you want to see bad owners just look down I75 at the Ford's. Why are they bad owners...because they hire crummy executives and don't fire them when they do bad. Garber has never been shy to get rid of someone when its not working and that goes for executives, coaches and players. When guys get in trouble in town, they're shown the door regardless of talent level and I think that's good. When the team's not responding to the coach or they underperform, the coach is shown the door regardless of contract situation. I may be on an island by myself but that's what I want an owner to do. An owner isn't making the crappy pass out of the zone or not finishing his check...they're paying the bills and trying to make money if they can by putting butts in the seats. Raise your hand if you think we have some pretty decent talent on this team...oh, lots of you. Raise your hand if you think Gilbert's getting the most out of his players this year...crickets. With the exception of Sadowy at the trade deadline, this team is essentially the same as last year but a year older and maybe an upgrade at a couple positions. We sure thought Gilbert did a lot of great things with the team last year, why are they the same or maybe even worse this year??? Oh ya, it's the Owners.
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Post by IGive1 on Feb 6, 2016 16:01:55 GMT -5
In 14 seasons, we have switched GMs, Coaches, Players with the same result. Maybe the blame resides at a higher level? You can formulate your own thoughts, but their is one consistent role that hasn't changed since day 1 that the team has arrived. Are the GM and Coach being handicapped due to the decisions of a higher level? I will go on record and say yes I believe they are. Maybe rather then fire someone again, maybe its time to give the Coach and GM a little more power to make potentially better business decisions. Last time I checked, we had a coach that recently won coach of the year and a GM that was hired by the Maple Leafs. Seems like our owners are hiring good people which is their only job. If you want to see bad owners just look down I75 at the Ford's. Why are they bad owners...because they hire crummy executives and don't fire them when they do bad. Garber has never been shy to get rid of someone when its not working and that goes for executives, coaches and players. When guys get in trouble in town, they're shown the door regardless of talent level and I think that's good. When the team's not responding to the coach or they underperform, the coach is shown the door regardless of contract situation. I may be on an island by myself but that's what I want an owner to do. An owner isn't making the crappy pass out of the zone or not finishing his check...they're paying the bills and trying to make money if they can by putting butts in the seats. Raise your hand if you think we have some pretty decent talent on this team...oh, lots of you. Raise your hand if you think Gilbert's getting the most out of his players this year...crickets. With the exception of Sadowy at the trade deadline, this team is essentially the same as last year but a year older and maybe an upgrade at a couple positions. We sure thought Gilbert did a lot of great things with the team last year, why are they the same or maybe even worse this year??? Oh ya, it's the Owners. I do not think he was referring to the ownership in general. You have to ask yourself if Garber had a dealership that was consistently, year after year finishing in the bottom 40% of all competing dealerships, would that manager of that dealership be there for 14 straight years? I realize this is a slightly different situation due to shared ownership, but the facts and results are what they are.
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Post by SaginawGensFan on Feb 6, 2016 18:11:42 GMT -5
I am in the minority, I think, of people who actually does NOT think Gilbert is the problem necessarily. There is so much more that we, the casual fans, do not see & are not privy to. I do not think a recent coach of the year (and nearly a perennial contender for that award) can all of a sudden take THAT big of a turn in his coaching style to become that bad of a coach. I'm not sold on Drinkell as GM, and I would guess he has his hand in there somewhere/somehow, because it doesn't seem like Gilbert is coaching the same way he was when he first came to Saginaw.
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Post by MidlandSpiritFan on Feb 6, 2016 21:36:19 GMT -5
Well, Spirit lose 6-3 to the worst team in the east tonight. They lost twice to Guelph the worst team in the west. And in between lost to a Flint team that had lost 15 straight games. Arguably should have had 8 points the last 4 games and only got 2 points. Does the ax fall on Gilbert before next weekend?
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Post by hockeydoc on Feb 6, 2016 22:02:11 GMT -5
I think Goslin has his hands on everything. He is not a hockey man, what does he know that all of us think we know. He is the fly in the ointment. The GMis in another city in Ontatio, no pushback to Goslin from a hockey person. Goslin runs the show and he has no clue! How can we gat rid of an owner? We are the Ford of the Ontario Hockey League. Stay home and don't to the game we love? Picket? Riot? We have had 14 years of promises and anybody who knows anything about the game would rate this team as a playoff contender. Erie will smack us 4-0 in first round. Next year we will be lucky to get to the second round. We might have 3 draft choices if the Finn comes back.Have you ever seen a team with 3 draft choices do anything in the playoffs unless we had Terry Sawchuck in the nets. I will continue to support the team,but only to see the stars on the other team before they go to the NHL. Who wants to come to Saginaw?
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Post by spiritfever on Feb 7, 2016 6:30:45 GMT -5
I just don't get it! Different lines again!
I was unable to attend last night, but was able to watch the OHL Live feed. During the pre game show with Gilbert, Joey was commenting on the chemistry that some lines seemed to start showing, but Gilbert announced that they were changed again. And Cosky sitting again! I just don't understand it. I did an extensive searched as to what the lines were back in the day when we had a bit of a winning streak and some line chemistry. The most common lines where we won and the players put the puck in the net were as follows.
Brown-Gilmour-Artemov Davies-Bennett-Barwell Sadowy-Kreis-Coskey Clarke-Felhaber-Paliani
So why we wouldn't go back to them for at least two or three games in a row and see what happens. So with a change in players, I would like to see the following:
Brown-Gilmour-Artemov Davies-Bennett-Barwell Hodgson-Stephens-Kreis Coskey-Felhaber-Maksimov or (Clarke)
And our defence, well I am unsure what can be done with them, I hope a big trade happens in September for a high end young defenceman.
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